Edited to add: I can’t thank you all enough for interacting with this post. I am actually surprised that it’s become this popular. This is the first time more than ten people have read anything I’ve written here. I’m probably going to turn off commenting soon because everything that can be said already has been. In general, I’d like to point out that this is an opinion piece. I wrote it on a 15 minute coffee break and posted it unedited. It’s raw, and that’s the whole point. The tone, the language, and the style are intentional. This was written for people like my mostly conservative Army buddies who will never click an article that is titled “Gun control is your friend”, and tend to assume those who support such legislation have never seen a gun before. I’m not a professional writer, nor a particularly prolific blogger until about three days ago. I’m just a person trying to sort it out like everybody else. Thank you for stopping by. I really do appreciate every one of you. Please find us on FaceBook.BCMCarryHandleAR-15-3

America, can we talk? Let’s just cut the shit for once and actually talk about what’s going on without blustering and pretending we’re actually doing a good job at adulting as a country right now. We’re not. We’re really screwing this whole society thing up, and we have to do better. We don’t have a choice. People are dying. At this rate, it’s not if your kids, or mine, are involved in a school shooting, it’s when. One of these happens every 60 hours on average in the US. If you think it can’t affect you, you’re wrong. Dead wrong. So let’s talk.

I’ll start. I’m an Army veteran. I like M-4’s, which are, for all practical purposes, an AR-15, just with a few extra features that people almost never use anyway. I’d say at least 70% of my formal weapons training is on that exact rifle, with the other 30% being split between various and sundry machineguns and grenade launchers. My experience is pretty representative of soldiers of my era. Most of us are really good with an M-4, and most of us like it at least reasonably well, because it is an objectively good rifle. I was good with an M-4, really good. I earned the Expert badge every time I went to the range, starting in Basic Training. This isn’t uncommon. I can name dozens of other soldiers/veterans I know personally who can say the exact same thing. This rifle is surprisingly easy to use, completely idiot-proof really, has next to no recoil, comes apart and cleans up like a dream, and is light to carry around. I’m probably more accurate with it than I would be with pretty much any other weapon in existence. I like this rifle a lot. I like marksmanship as a sport. When I was in the military, I enjoyed combining these two things as often as they’d let me.

With all that said, enough is enough. My knee jerk reaction is to consider weapons like the AR-15 no big deal because it is my default setting. It’s where my training lies. It is my normal, because I learned how to fire a rifle IN THE ARMY. You know, while I may only have shot plastic targets on the ranges of Texas, Georgia, and Missouri, that’s not what those weapons were designed for, and those targets weren’t shaped like deer. They were shaped like people. Sometimes we even put little hats on them. You learn to take a gut shot, “center mass”, because it’s a bigger target than the head, and also because if you maim the enemy soldier rather than killing him cleanly, more of his buddies will come out and get him, and you can shoot them, too. He’ll die of those injuries, but it’ll take him a while, giving you the chance to pick off as many of his compadres as you can. That’s how my Drill Sergeant explained it anyway. I’m sure there are many schools of thought on it. The fact is, though, when I went through my marksmanship training in the US Army, I was not learning how to be a competition shooter in the Olympics, or a good hunter. I was being taught how to kill people as efficiently as possible, and that was never a secret.

As an avowed pacifist now, it turns my stomach to even type the above words, but can you refute them? I can’t. Every weapon that a US Army soldier uses has the express purpose of killing human beings. That is what they are made for. The choice rifle for years has been some variant of what civilians are sold as an AR-15. Whether it was an M-4 or an M-16 matters little. The function is the same, and so is the purpose. These are not deer rifles. They are not target rifles. They are people killing rifles. Let’s stop pretending they’re not.

With this in mind, is anybody surprised that nearly every mass shooter in recent US history has used an AR-15 to commit their crime? And why wouldn’t they? High capacity magazine, ease of loading and unloading, almost no recoil, really accurate even without a scope, but numerous scopes available for high precision, great from a distance or up close, easy to carry, and readily available. You can buy one at Wal-Mart, or just about any sports store, and since they’re long guns, I don’t believe you have to be any more than 18 years old with a valid ID. This rifle was made for the modern mass shooter, especially the young one. If he could custom design a weapon to suit his sinister purposes, he couldn’t do a better job than Armalite did with this one already.

This rifle is so deadly and so easy to use that no civilian should be able to get their hands on one. We simply don’t need these things in society at large. I always find it interesting that when I was in the Army, and part of my job was to be incredibly proficient with this exact weapon, I never carried one at any point in garrison other than at the range. Our rifles lived in the arms room, cleaned and oiled, ready for the next range day or deployment. We didn’t carry them around just because we liked them. We didn’t bluster on about barracks defense and our second amendment rights. We tucked our rifles away in the arms room until the next time we needed them, just as it had been done since the Army’s inception. The military police protected us from threats in garrison. They had 9 mm Berettas to carry. They were the only soldiers who carry weapons in garrison. We trusted them to protect us, and they delivered. With notably rare exceptions, this system has worked well. There are fewer shootings on Army posts than in society in general, probably because soldiers are actively discouraged from walking around with rifles, despite being impeccably well trained with them. Perchance, we could have the largely untrained civilian population take a page from that book?

I understand that people want to be able to own guns. That’s ok. We just need to really think about how we’re managing this. Yes, we have to manage it, just as we manage car ownership. People have to get a license to operate a car, and if you operate a car without a license, you’re going to get in trouble for that. We manage all things in society that can pose a danger to other people by their misuse. In addition to cars, we manage drugs, alcohol, exotic animals (there are certain zip codes where you can’t own Serval cats, for example), and fireworks, among other things. We restrict what types of businesses can operate in which zones of the city or county. We have a whole system of permitting for just about any activity a person wants to conduct since those activities could affect others, and we realize, as a society, that we need to try to minimize the risk to other people that comes from the chosen activities of those around them in which they have no say. Gun ownership is the one thing our country collectively refuses to manage, and the result is a lot of dead people.

I can’t drive a Formula One car to work. It would be really cool to be able to do that, and I could probably cut my commute time by a lot. Hey, I’m a good driver, a responsible Formula One owner. You shouldn’t be scared to be on the freeway next to me as I zip around you at 140 MPH, leaving your Mazda in a cloud of dust! Why are you scared? Cars don’t kill people. People kill people. Doesn’t this sound like bullshit? It is bullshit, and everybody knows. Not one person I know would argue non-ironically that Formula One cars on the freeway are a good idea. Yet, these same people will say it’s totally ok to own the firearm equivalent because, in the words of comedian Jim Jeffries, “fuck you, I like guns”.

Yes, yes, I hear you now. We have a second amendment to the constitution, which must be held sacrosanct over all other amendments. Dude. No. The constitution was made to be a malleable document. It’s intentionally vague. We can enact gun control without infringing on the right to bear arms. You can have your deer rifle. You can have your shotgun that you love to shoot clay pigeons with. You can have your target pistol. Get a license. Get a training course. Recertify at a predetermined interval. You do not need a military grade rifle. You don’t. There’s no excuse.

“But we’re supposed to protect against tyranny! I need the same weapons the military would come at me with!” Dude. You know where I can get an Apache helicopter and a Paladin?! Hook a girl up! Seriously, though, do you really think you’d be able to hold off the government with an individual level weapon? Because you wouldn’t. One grenade, and you’re toast. Don’t have these illusions of standing up to the government, and needing military style rifles for that purpose. You’re not going to stand up to the government with this thing. They’d take you out in about half a second.

Let’s be honest. You just want a cool toy, and for the vast majority of people, that’s all an AR-15 is. It’s something fun to take to the range and put some really wicked holes in a piece of paper. Good for you. I know how enjoyable that is. I’m sure for a certain percentage of people, they might not kill anyone driving a Formula One car down the freeway, or owning a Cheetah as a pet, or setting off professional grade fireworks without a permit. Some people are good with this stuff, and some people are lucky, but those cases don’t negate the overall rule. Military style rifles have been the choice du jour in the incidents that have made our country the mass shootings capitol of the world. Formula One cars aren’t good for commuting. Cheetahs are bitey. Professional grade fireworks will probably take your hand off. All but one of these are common sense to the average American. Let’s fix that. Be honest, you don’t need that AR-15. Nobody does. Society needs them gone, no matter how good you may be with yours. Kids are dying, and it’s time to stop fucking around.

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5,248 thoughts on ““Fuck you, I like guns.”

  1. For one the civilian sported rifles are nothing like the military’s! I disagree about AR-15 being designed to kill human beings! The human mind is what, the military makes a weapon out of!
    The AR-15, along with other general military small arms are in fact tools used, for self defense because the rules of engagement all service members abide by has guidelines to ensure these weapons are not used, for anything other than defense!! These military tools were designed to protect, and defend the greater good, from evil! These rules make sure these tools are used, for that purpose!
    If these military tools were designed to be murder machines like you are saying then there would be no need, for these rules!
    The military also back this up even further by not using bullets like hollow points, or anything too inhumane! So no! I think you’re spreading this diseased anti-gun stupidity just like the anti-gun stupidytes! These anti-gun stupidomizers are responsible, for starting this school shooting mass murder trend with their anti-gun stupidity, and have continued to encourage that trend every fucking step of the way!
    Mankind has been massacring throughout history long before the gun was ever invented, causing casualty numbers that could have built mountains! There is only human violence, by human hands, with human intentions!
    Vigilance, and awareness is the only way to stop this, and if you were in the military, you should know this most of all, instead of damning the gun!
    The AR was not designed to kill, it does a piss poor job at it, and it’s always done a piss poor job at it! The human being is the true weapon of violence, and this is something that government gun control can never control!
    Government gun control never controls the bad guys, and always criminalizes the good!!
    Government gun control criminalizes, and victimizes law abiding citizens!
    Our country has city police, county police, state police, ATF, FBI, DEA, and more! They have the fucking tools already, and if they cannot control anything with they have already then stupidity is the goddamned problem!
    Stupidity is the problem, and stupidity has always been the problem!
    Stupidity is the most dangerous weapon in the world that is always underestimated until the damage is done!
    Our governments decisions epitomizes this stupidity!! We all need to wake the fuck up, and look up at the fascist fools managing our country into the ground, while they wipe their shit soaked asses with our constitution by passing stupid diseased laws that do nothing, but oppress the wrong goddamned people!!

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    1. You left alot of bullshit for a really short question.
      AR15’S were VERY obviously designed to kill humans, just like the first gun ever made. The chinese made gunpowder, to what, hunt pandas? No, to blow up their enemies with their sweet proto-guns.
      Ever since their conception, guns have been designed to kill people. Many in the 1700-1800’s served dual purposes of hunting and defending yourself. However, one thing was ever present, they had to be strong enough to bring a man down AND the beast you hunt.
      The “Hunting Rifle”, used ONLY for hunting, is really a very modern invention in the history of guns. The indisputable truth, is that guns were always meant to kill people. Military Rifles ESPECIALLY only have one purpose, and to be frank, you are an absolute dunce if you can’t see that.
      You are actually trying to tell us that they aren’t designed, and never were designed, to kill people?! That they are designed for hunting, that THE Military designs rifles to go hunting with, like, sport/recreational hunting?
      My Dude, you are either blissfully ignorant to the facts, or INTENTIONALLY squeing them so they fit you idea of reality. Unfortunately for you, it is painfully obvious which, of the two, you actually fall under!
      Firther more, what’s really funny, is your “Reality”, reads a lot like other people’s “Fantasy” or “Fiction”. As in, it is not true and you are most certainly being deceptive with your facts.

      Her are the REAL facts, buddy:

      THE MILITARY DOESN’T GO HUNTING, AND THEREFORE, THEY WOULD NEVER DESIGN A WEAPON FOR HUNTING!

      OH WAIT, THEY DO GO HUNTING, FOR PEOPLE!!!
      SO, MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT, THEY DO DESIGN HUNTING RIFLES.

      …….WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO HUNT AND KILL HUMANS AND NOTHING ELSE.

      You know what….
      Damn dude, in the end I guess you actually were correct…..fuck me, right?

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      1. Yeah, fuck you. You sleight someone for intentionally skewing facts, then you do the same. The purpose of the military version of the weapon in question is for combat. The M-16 is a battle rifle, the AR-15 is a civilian rifle. The very first ads from Colt promoted the “Modern Sporting Rifle” and touted its use as both defensive and varmint hunting. So guess what, my dude? You’re a fucking jackhole who is just as dishonest and retarded as the fucking jackhole you think you’re setting straight.

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    2. Well u can’t EDUCATE STUPIDITY AND I OWN 6 AR-15 and guess what THEY HAVE NOT KILLED ONE HUMAN BEING AND I OWN THEM BECAUSE THAT IS MY CHOICE AND MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AND IT IS PEOPLE LIKE U THAT WANT TO TAKE AWAY MY FREEDOM OF CHOICE JUST LIKE HITLER,STALIN DID IN THEIR COUNTRY ANYWAY I THANK U FOR SERVICE AND I ALSO DID MY 8 years in the UNITED STATES 🇺🇸 NAVY!!!!!!

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    3. Golly!! Frank!!! Every sentence ends with one or two exclamation points. Like being in a foreign land and speaking slowly and loudly as if that will help the foreigners understand you.
      No. You are emotional about having an AR-15. Nothing else matters.

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  2. Almost all weapons in history were designed for military purposes. More than a few have ended up in the hands of local populations. Laws have been passed to regulate these weapons. That does not mean if you wish have them you are not allowed to have them. If you follow the rules, have the money, you can own almost anything you wish. A 200+ mph sports car or sedan for that matter. I will not mind if the rules get a little stiffer. We kill more people with car than guns and we all in hot pursuit of safer transpertation. Still personal choice and responsibility should win out in a democracy. No one is telling people they can’t own a jet aircraft. Invented for a military weapon. but as usual technology transferred it public. I am not saying there is no reason for concern. But we should always be careful of what some see as a threat that others see as liberty and freedom of choice.

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  3. I read good part of your article.
    Enough to get your gest.
    First the second amendment was to arm yourself against tyranny and government abuse or brutal taxation, control of people’s lives, and rights to live free and happy.
    Everything that the government owns a civilian should be able to own as long as he’s no criminal.
    If kids are dying from misuse of these types of firearms parents should be held accountable!
    If you threw your load into your woman, you are responsible for raising your kids with morals, discipline, work ethics, knowledge to use a gun to stop damned government if necessary for them screening with us.
    The type of jobs that are in excistance now days are stressful, demanding, badly paid, sometimes far from home with bad traffic and then we get home and just let the rugrats children do what they want and don’t inform ourselves with who they hang around. Neither do we ask about what’s going on in school and really dig in to find all of the truth.
    Children are hypocrites, actors.
    They know how to be angels in front of you and get away with murder.
    Another thing is people are mistreated at work, at schools, at home and develop psychological problems, sometimes hard to spot.
    So if no one gives a poo about investigating or examining oneself, if you are unhappy should get help to fix the problem.
    Even if it means living poor but more care free from stress etc.
    We want too much sometimes and endure shitty jobs.
    If you’re alone and need peace, if you have to live in your car and get a happy job, do it.shower at the WMCA. Live with parents! Whatever it takes for you not to become ballistic.
    Other times the schools don’t care about bullies or little sons of bitches ruining other kids lives!, fire those teachers or fine them.
    I know of two Christian schools that really blew it! And no consequences to teachers after years of knowing serious problems.
    Then comes the useless people who don’t know how to wash their clothes or piss into the bowl without spraying all over and not cleaning afterwards, who want to own a rifle or handgun. It should be required and documented to go into a class to teach people to care for the gun and be able to fire accurately 20 feet at torso. As long as it takes to pass the course. Since we don’t have mandatory military for everyone, like Israel, the way it should.
    Every one should be able to carry a firearm for free, no government carry permits, its unconstitutional.
    We have the right to bear arms and nothing was said about government charging people for that in constitution!!!. You get checked for criminal records and that’s it.
    Carry hidden or exposed.
    The problem isn’t the firearms at all, it’s the discipline of parents, schools, ethics taught etc.
    The crazy crook will get whatever no matter what! He is not going to follow the law so the ones that are should be armed to the teeth.
    And screw the ignorant democrats and wimpy people who can’t wipe their butt being afraid of seeing a gun, thinking that the person is a killer or criminal. Then think the same about the police officers.
    A lot of times they are more stupid and careless about us, calling the marines before they make a move to try to help you, leaving to be gunned down in the process. Especially if you’re gay or black.
    Yes, they are a click of people who take care of their own unless you are low rank, they may throw you to the fire to cover their ass too.
    All political and what counts is the God ol boys and their pensions.
    I’ve been around a lot of stuff, I know what I’m talking about.
    Sooner or later someone is going to arrest me.
    So I’m for the more guns the better, whatever government owns we should own.
    This includes tanks, jet fighters, the works.
    Except an atomic bomb.
    Government won’t throw one here because they want the land clean and some survivors to do their work and wipe their asses and show worship kissing their ass and saying they are good people to govern over the peons.
    We are ruled by evil, agenda, globalist and the ones that aren’t are meeting the worst resistance in history and possibly a future elimination by some hired killers, after trying to bury them any other way they could. That is the truth and the solution for the most part re guarding firearms. Don’t restrict, that’s what politicians want to dominate you, we’ve already been restricted a whole bunch. Where is it going to end?
    You know stairs are dangerous for stupid people, put electric flat, low stairs, get rid of hammers and cars, don’t use forks or spoons to eat so fast. Don’t put corn syrup into seeets, etc etc. restrict sweets to save lives.
    Do those things and you will see the population will thrive in health and deaths will decrease greatly.
    There’s less crime by guns than hammers etc. look at England statistics and they don’t have guns!
    Hitler’s phylosophy and law was tha a country without guns is a safe country. Look what he did afterwards, brake into homes to look and kill Jews, mistreated non Jews, anyone not master Arian race was screwed. Have more guns, all types and calibers and thousands of ammunition and tons of loaded magazines.
    You never know when the government will come for your first born one day and you won’t have a clue he’s coming for you.
    They know when you crap, where you crap and more than you know about yourself is all stored in a huge facility where everything you said over phone, or posted on computer and everything you buy and do its compiled. All in attempt to figure you out and know what to do to finalize world order.
    Laugh all you want and think they care for you.

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    1. All right enough of your response to get the gist of what you were saying, A bunch of misinformation and a perverted understanding of America.
      The second amendment was made to protect us from foreign invaders and slave rebellion thise were the primary reason. We didn’t even have a standing army at the time. Our founding fathers did not say it was to protect them from the government. Founding fathers did not say itwas to protect us them from the government, our Constitution is what protects us from the government, The propaganda you’re repeating is meant to distract us from the constitution. Arms without the constitution is nothing but anarchy.
      If men get women pregnant they are hardly held responsible they might have to pay child-support but hardly enough to raise and educate the child through college.

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      1. “What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
        – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

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      2. Thomas Jefferson didn’t talk in bumper stickers. On the day Timothy McVeigh chose to murder 168 of his fellow Americans, he was wearing a shirt that carried Jefferson’s infamous words:
        The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.
        I doubt McVeigh, like you, ever bothered to read the quote in context. In context TJ explains how ignorance leads to uprisings like in Massachusetts and how it is the responsibility for the government… “remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them”
        He doesn’t say taking arms is right or solves anything, he says it is the natural progression to not paying attention. We lose our liberty when ignorant people take up arms.
        http://americancreation.blogspot.com/2009/08/jeffersons-tree-of-liberty-quote-in.html

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      1. Not an accurate statement. If you read Madison’s arguements for an “armed militia” in the Federalist Papers, you would know the right to protect oneself preceded the Constitution and BoR. in fact, the right to self defense can be traced back to early Greco-Roma writings.

        The Second was first a foremost about ensuring the security of a free-state…the United States, on both the State and Federal level. Government used used this provision to enforce and uphold the law. Because Slavery was “legal” back then, and slave escapes/revolts were illegal, southern militias were used to uphold the law, not “preserve slavery”.

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      2. I think if you cherry pick one statement from the Federalist papers, you can make your argument, you can make any argument.
        Of course people have a right to defend themselves, and in some situations banning certain types of guns, demanding background checks, is defending ourselves and protecting our families. If somebody bands guns in their home, they immediately increase the chances that their children will not be killed by a gun and that’s their choice.

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      3. Cherry pick what? Have you read Madison? If you had you would know another reason for the 2nd Amendment was fear of a standing federal army. The 2nd Amendment was written to appease the anti-federalists, allowing State’s citizens to be armed against the potential aggression of the federal Government. Remember, we had just won a war with the “tyrannical” English king….

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      4. They didn’t want a militia to protect them from a standing federal army, there was no standing federal army. They wanted the militias to eliminate the need of a standing army, because they feared a standing army. They knew perfectly well, that a standing army could override the militias. But of course we don’t hear anybody talking about that reasoning, do we? Quite the opposite most 2 amendment extremists want a standing military and wanted to be even stronger and bigger. Also, at the time, only whites were allowed to have guns,
        at the time of the freshly written constitution! The leaders of the time, also wouldn’t of had an issue with refusing somebody who wasn’t wanted in the militia to own a gun. They also understood that the 2 amendment was an accessory to the constitution it wasn’t the other way around. Without the Constitution, the Second Amendment is simply a bunch of anarchist with guns.

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      5. Shockingly, throwing the word anarchist around does not make your point correct. It’s just a buzzword that scares people.

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      6. I’m just using it as a word to represent armed citizens without laws. Not sure why you’re talking about the definition of a word and not ideas. No, I actually know what you’re doing it.

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  4. There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data

    Get back to us when you have a real argument.

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      1. Well, thank you. When some idiot can’t carry a discussion and tries to distract with some superfluous word meanings, I’m happy to turn into a troll, and you made it worthwhile! Why sould anyone waste any other efforts on you? Later dude.

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      2. It was the conversation until you started blabbering stupid shit. And now your blabbering about leaving the room…
        Well it’s later now, dude. 🙂 you’re making everybody glad they’re not you.

        Again without the rest of the constitution, the 2nd Amendment is nothing but a bunch of Anarchist with guns.

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      3. LOL, Oh look, the typo police. You’re sounding desperate. It never occurres to people like you that if you don’t have a real argument, it’s because there aren’t any.

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      4. Oh now you’re just projecting… if you don’t get more creative I’m gonna stop trolling you. If I’m going to waste my time I’d rather do it with a far right nut who at least tries to make an argument.
        Maybe you should go find some far left nuts and compare notes, have a beer, play some cards, you really are just two sides of the same coin.
        But then if this is all because I used the word “anarchist” and it scared you, I’m sorry dude. 😝

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      5. Yep, that’s exactly who you are and always have been. I will take my badge now and go enjoy this beautiful day

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